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December 15, 2005

someone bit my ankle!

Okay, so here I am trying to be fair and balanced just like Fox News. I tell it like it like it is (even if I am saying something not quite positive about fellow conservatives) and some guy John Cole has this to say:

"You know- no more links to the Axis of Asshole [sic], aka Althouse, Moxie, etc.

They are just bitter shrews who for some reason have a hard-on towards Roger and Charles. They are free to start their own competing businesses if they know so damned much.

And what makes me pissed off the most is that their commentary is so nasty and childish I feel compelled to defend PJ, even though I think they have made significant missteps."

No idea who that guy is -- he must have started blogging YEARS after I did. But "bitter shrew" is par for the course. I was asked many times to join the Pajama Game. I thought Pajamas Media was an awful idea and said as much.

I'm just darn glad these people don't get emotional.

For the record, I offered to fix Pajamas Media for them and put a 1 million dollar price tag on it. Still no takers.

Ann Althouse has inspired me -- she took "Berkeley house whore" and wore it proudly. Likewise, I am now your own personal "bitter shrew" and an enthusiastic member of the "Axis of Asshole ™" [sic].

I'm nothing less than honored. You too can become a member of the "Axis of Asshole ™" [sic]. Just comment and I will send your NDA out in the mail by morning.

UPDATE:
Because I'm not the sort to walk around and think everytime something less than good happens to me, it must be because I'm a woman -- I failed to point out something pretty darn sexist --Dan from Riehlworld made an excellent point. Obviously I didn't see this because I'm just a broad!

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Interesting that so much criticism has also come from male bloggers and Cole elected to use the word "shrew" and list only females, even after going around at Steve's. Raj?? Is that you? lol

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 7:33 PM

Good point Dan. Perhaps he underestimates the power of a "bitter shrew" from the "Axis of Asshole ™"

He seems to be trying to make nice over at Steve H's -- will be interesting to see if he's man enough to address my post.

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 7:37 PM

I am going to just throw this out there, but I think you are getting under his skin

Posted by: Andre at December 15, 2005 7:42 PM

At least I see they had the sense to take down the notice to the wire pics. Between the Drudge ad and the bankroll, they do not want that issue with AP, AFP, et al. Especially as they are looking to set precedent due to the Google News issue.

On balance, I think their election coverage did some good things for a limited audience interested in reading on it at that level. But including that IowaHawk satire link early on was almost infantile as far as any editorial judgement goes.

What I find most interesting is how intent they seem on throwing the touch down pass time and again with what they choose to do, as opposed to just grinding it out and exploiting the opportunities Bloggers can address best.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 7:51 PM

I've heard that Roger thinks they are doing a great job -- and isn't sweating any of the critiques. And by not sweating it, I mean he's not even spending a second trying to fix what is wrong. As always, truth is stranger than fiction.

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 7:58 PM

A good job? One would have to know what they were trying to do to judge that. I haven't written for BNN in months, but they had more capabilities and did more for bloggers than PJM has to date - and basically for no cost, or strings at all.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 8:05 PM

At least your a stunningly beautiful, funny, and intelligent, bitter shrew. On the plus side of this whole deal, and this is selfish, you have been posting a lot. Can I join the axis of asshole club?

Posted by: Steve W. at December 15, 2005 8:09 PM

Moxie, for me anyway, I'd appreciate the actual link, to the actual post/words.

Cole doing his Jeff G. imitation, two weeks after Jeff's lovely performances, isn't wise. I will sincerely give Jeff credit (honest) for his current behavior (doesn't mean I'll quickly forget his recent past).

I can see John's point about one of your earlier posts today. I wouldn't have given it a critical literary rave. But his claiming he find anyone's critical posts about PJM funny (over Hog's way earlier), and then acting in a manner that is entirely unfunny? What's the saying .... puhleeze?

Me, I've tried to couch most of my barbs in funny clothes. Not all, but most (they say you can anything if you say it with a smile).

So, tell 'em how you Really feel Moxie (while smiling).

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 8:13 PM

Steve W -- this how cool I am -- you don't even have to be a shrew like me to join the Axis of Asshole club!

You are welcome.

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 8:13 PM

Wow. The identity politics card, eh?

Well, on the plus side, maybe you'll get another Atrios link!

You GO, girl!

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 8:15 PM

I'm a liberal, and I agree with Cole. You are an asshole.

"The mental illness commonly known as liberalism." Yeah, that Martin Luther King, he was mentally ill, all right.

Posted by: Roger M. Simon at December 15, 2005 8:16 PM

Awwww, just after I noted how well all the liberals were behaving over here.

Oh well. It's okay though, you didn't hurt my feelings. I'm a republican, I don't HAVE any feelings!!

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 8:19 PM

Atrios links Hog's post, which contains a now stale link to an Althouse post. Which of course contained a stale link to one of my Pajamas Media love letters.

It was funny. It took me awhile to figure that one out, and understand it. How deep, how strong the surge is from the large ocean going mammals.

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 8:21 PM

Actually, since it is probably just more fun for you to slap each other on the back and claim I am sexist, I am probably wasting my time, but the actual comment can be found, surprise of surprises, on my own website.

In a post on the election cover-up (in which PJ Media did a pretty good job), someone made a comment about Open Sores and linked here. Since it is my website, and I have read your tedious and relentless criticism of PJ (came here via Atrios, your new compadre), and I am fully aware that Althouse is the one who started (mostly) the Open Sores bit, I lumped you two together (in the etc. you can throw in Don Surber, Steve at Hog On Ice, the Commisar e at Politburo, and whoever else you would like- although they have testicles and it doesn't support your sexist thesis). And I told them I didn't want to read any more links to the crap you and your clique of PJ bashers have to say. I really am tired of it.

Has nothing to do with your gender, and everything to do with your comments. Although I have learned that the right wing is just as good as playing the vicitm as the feminist left.

BTW- So surprised to see Elmo here. Technorati doesn't miss a beat when you search for Pajamas, does it, Elmo?

Posted by: John Cole at December 15, 2005 8:22 PM

BTW- Wouldn't I technically own the Axis of Asshole TM?

Or do you have to file for that sort of thing? I have lost my independence when I sold out to 'Raj and Rerun' and now simply bow to my corporate masters, so I am out of the loop on that sort of thing.

Posted by: John Cole at December 15, 2005 8:27 PM

Actually John, I was invited. Seems like you have nothing better to do though aye?

Attack me all you want John I could care less. It takes two to tango, and I'm not interested in dancing with your kind.

Technorati .... how original, how deeeeep. And, not true. I no longer care about you clowns. I'll only write about ya under two conditions, I'm pissed, or I find it humorous.

Not boring. And John, you're boring me.

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 8:27 PM

P.S. John, I'd be happy to look at the link, if you actually post to it?

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 8:30 PM

I'm a liberal, and I agree with Cole. You are an asshole.

"The mental illness commonly known as liberalism." Yeah, that Martin Luther King, he was mentally ill, all right.

Well, gosh. Sorta like JFK's "liberalism." Perhaps the definition has mutated.
So, Roger, when DID you stop beating your wife?

Posted by: Kim at December 15, 2005 8:31 PM

Moxie, for me anyway, I'd appreciate the actual link, to the actual post/words.

Cole doing his Jeff G. imitation, two weeks after Jeff's lovely performances, isn't wise. I will sincerely give Jeff credit (honest) for his current behavior (doesn't mean I'll quickly forget his recent past).

Oh Christ, who the fuck cares, Elmo?

Really. Do you think I give one dollop of cream sauce what you think of my behavior?

I don't want your respect. I don't need your respect. And you'll never have my respect. And I mean that.

You saw your opportunity, you backed your horse. And as far as I'm concerned, you picked the wrong pony. Live and learn.

But do me a favor and stop mentioning me. It creeps me out.

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 8:40 PM

Okay John, so you COULD have lumped me together with a bunch of human beings who happen to have testicles. But you didn't.

I can see you take yourself VERY seriously. And that's a good thing because someone has to.

So my question is this: are Don Surber, Steve at Hog On Ice, the Commisar e at Politburo ALSO "bitter shrews"?

(And yes, my new compadre Atrios and I are going to get married any day now!)

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 8:44 PM

Talk about your ad hominem attacks. For reacting to the shrew comment as I did, John dropped by to tell me I'm a traffic whore. lol Too bad the site meters don't support the accusation. And of course, I would NEVER link to his original post, which I did as soon as I realized he provided the link in comments.

Meanwhile, with thousands of $ spent on a Drudge ad, for the longest time right below the opening paragraph at PJM was a "satire" from IowaHawk headlined as an actual announcement from al Zakarwi. Your average click through reader wouldn't likely pick up the VP tag, or whatever it was. And a new "media" corporate entity went to the trouble to tease to another blog by touting he was ripping off AP, AFP et al copyrighted images, while also being sure to credit their own photos as belonging to PJM.

Nah, nothing to criticize here - it must be some damned conspiracy, or cry for attention. Good grief, if there's a word that sums up PJM at this point, it's juvenile. ooh the first three numbers of my key are 666 - please don't hold it against me, Mr. Cole.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 8:45 PM

Is it actually possible that someone could give pajamas media a bad name? I think John may be why they have a its none of your business policy. I had not really formed a solid opinion other than I'm not really interested before reading his and others comments here and on H.O.I. now I have one, and surprisingly its based on comments in someone elses blog. Sorta like borrowing somebodys car to run over your own dog. Pretty sad John.

Posted by: Steve W. at December 15, 2005 8:47 PM

See that, John? You turned another ordinary schmo into a HATER.

WHY JOHN? WHY?

(by the way, Mox? You GO, girl!)

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 8:54 PM

I would argue they have been behaving like bitter jerks, for whatever the reason, but as they are not female, and the two people I singled out (for the above mentioned reasons- you were linked and Althouse is responsible for the emewrgence of the Open Sores bit), shrew was fitting. But because a descriptor is more appropriate for two women than men does not make the comment sexist.

Had I known that the 'Carnivorous Conservative' would sieze upon the lefty feminist playbook, I would have just stuck with the unisex "Axis of Asshole." It fits nicely.

Dan, when you guys call one of your PJ bashing links being 'Althoused' (ask Moxie)it leaves you open to suspicion that this is nothing more than an attention getting enterprise. There is at least as much evidence (and actually, more) of my throway remark than your charge of sexism.

As to whether or not they have made missteps- sure they have. As I have repeatedly stated, oto include on the message board at laurence Simon's, I have been underwhelmed to date. I don't know why I just got my code for ads. But the fact is, they are getting better. I thought today's election coverage was pretty decent.


I really don't know what they did to alienate so many people (other than Dennis the Peasant, which has been as excrutiatingly documented as anything, ever, and that Roger hung up on Ann, and, I learn today, that they turned down Moxie's sage advice), but I do know that a lot of the charges have been absurd- like we have somehow lost our independence or this is somehow going to ruin blogging. As far as I am concerned, all that has happened at my website is that I have switched from an unpredictable revenue stream to a more steady one. I will not change what I write about, or who I linke to, or what interests me, or how I blog. Just the ads have changed.

And, as I stated in the quote above, the ONLY reason I respond to any of this crap, and I really haven't since Althouse was lying about the Parade coverage, is because of how silly many of the criticisms are.

At any rate, I have wasted enough time on this. TTYL.

Posted by: John Cole at December 15, 2005 8:56 PM

You GO, girl!

Another brilliant ploy choice from a PJM'er after someone suggests there may have been the, I quote, "appearance", of sexism in the original comment.

BTW if PJM is bent on being so all inclusive politically, was it really smart to headline Jeff G's post going after left wing blogs? Say what you want, the decisions of the people running this show have been poorly made, time and time, again.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 8:57 PM

I shoulda stayed here .... Jeff G. Just said I creep him out. Cool dude, now you know how a large part of the b-sphere feels about you. No bull.

"Opportunity"?

For what? What planet do you live on? You aren't a nice person. Many people know it. You display it most every chance you get.

Creepy, that's rich. Why not post that jpeg of mental illness that you're so fond of? Without question you're the creepiest person I've EVER encountered on the net. And that is saying something.

Creepy? Wow, Jeff G. called me creepy. That is an honor I can tell my (imaginary) grandkids about. Creepy ....

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 9:12 PM

Play that SEXISM card, Dan. Play. Play it like Natalee would want you to!

Incidentally, did PJ headline my post? I thought they'd just put it in a paragraph with a bunch of others.

But even so, I thought we were concerned that our INDEPENDENCE would be taken away? Now the gripe is they linked to a post that didn't alter itself to fit someone's idea of fair and balanced?

Make up your mind, people. Seriously. Are we puppets or aren't we?

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 9:12 PM

yeah, I know, Elmo. I'm universally reviled and I'm not a nice person. Seriously. In the gym locker room when I'm not around to bully them, ALL THE KIDS SAY SO!

You're a fucking joke, man. Honestly. Don't address me anymore. I didn't know who you were until you started coming after me. And now that I know who you are, I don't give a fuck.

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 9:16 PM

Did John just trot out that empty manufactured kindergarten malarkey about the parade?

Oh sh*t. F*ck me, what a cl*wn. Hey John, foget I ever even dreamed of meeting on the square and parting on the circle.

Good Riddance.

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 9:17 PM

Everybody ... Group Hug!

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 9:18 PM

Play that SEXISM card, Dan. Play. Play it like Natalee would want you to!

WHy are you so threatened by a story which captivated so many readers and had a valid subtext to explore, Jeff? Is it too human, or too real for you? Okay, I'll play the PJM card - obviously you're just jealous because I'm approaching six million hits having blogged less than half the time as you. Yeah, that's it - case solved.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 9:20 PM

Elmo, I really like Jeff G as a person and admire his creative writing a great deal. You can stay and bash Raj and Rerun, or John Cole if you like but please leave one of my few PJ'd friends out of it.

Thank you

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 9:22 PM

Elmo, I really like

LOL Brains, balls and a maternal streak, too. Gotta love that.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 9:29 PM

Well Moxie, if you saw the jpeg he changed the default to, on a link to his comments thread? (a couple of weeks ago). Then hours later changed it back. It was disturbing.

Myself, I could never justify such behavior. He could have apologized. Though he be your friend. He is not a man.


Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 9:30 PM

I'm jealous of you, Dan?

Tell me you're kidding.

Seriously, whatever for? Because you know Jug Twiddy's personal email address? Because you run a Natalee bulletin board?

Dude, I'm making that into a post!

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 9:32 PM

Elmo's talking about the vagina dentata pic. Which, when I ban people from my site, is the default URL they are taken too.

I didn't change any jpg. Just must have reconsidered the ban and let him back on.

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 9:38 PM

The dentata pic is hilarious.

I'm not sure why there is a problem. Can you two refrain from picking at each other here, pretty please?

Call it a maternal streak if you must -- but this site is about targeted meaness -- and Jeff G is not on my roster for scorn.

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 9:43 PM

speaking of posts jeff, you just inspired me (i think you'll LOVE it. The title will be quite .... umm intersting).

It's been fun all, Moxie, hope you can get the carpet clean.

Toodles.

Posted by: Elmo at December 15, 2005 9:43 PM

By the way, what would Dan and Elmo think if they knew I was IMing with Moxie while I responded to them here in the comments.

Would it ruin their time in the bathroom later on this evening?

("you are such a meanie, Jeff. AND EVERYBODY SAYS SO!")

Posted by: Jeff G at December 15, 2005 9:46 PM

kids....BEHAVE. I'm not kicking anyone out of my virtual livingroom, just making some strong suggestions about who we can make fun of around here.

Thank you. And goodnight!

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 9:57 PM

I was IMing with Moxie -- Dude, I'm making that into a post!

Sure, let me know when I'm suppose to care.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 10:26 PM

FLAME ON!!!

Posted by: The Human Torch at December 15, 2005 10:37 PM

But even so, I thought we were concerned that our INDEPENDENCE would be taken away? Now the gripe is they linked to a post that didn't alter itself to fit someone's idea of fair and balanced?
Make up your mind, people. Seriously. Are we puppets or aren't we?

What I don't get is how some PJM people personalize every critique of PJM. What I've said has NOTHING to do with anything either you or John or whomever else puts on their blog. I am taking about editorial decisions being made on a portal YOU dont' control. It isn't even your issue. If I think of it, I'll get you a copy of "Boundaries" or some such pyscho-babble to help you to figure it out.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 10:42 PM

What a thread. As usual, Steve H. sees the bigger picture in this - it's nice to see you writing again, Mox.

Posted by: Sadie at December 15, 2005 10:53 PM

Thanks Sadie. I actually feel awful that the thing that got me writing again involves flaming a few conservative bloggers who happen to have zero business sense and Aubrey's 7 million dollar wallet.

Every damn day I wake up and promise myself I won't write about Raj and Rerun and yet they make themselves into even more foolish fools in brand new ways, each day.

It's VERY addictive. But tomorrow I'll try to write about something else. Hope the itch to write sticks!

Posted by: Moxie at December 15, 2005 11:29 PM

Just a thought - You could write about typepad - another blog service heading down the tubes the way the serivce has been for a month, or more.

Posted by: Dan at December 15, 2005 11:34 PM

Dan, I'd love to write about something NOT blogging related. The 50 people who come here to read about life in Los Angeles, clubbing baby seals or how GWB is a god have GOT to be let down. In fact, they probably don't even call this here website a blog. God bless them.

Posted by: Moxie at December 16, 2005 1:31 AM

write about something NOT blogging related

I hear ya. lol Often after one of these spells, I sometimes write about something I especially enjoy, if not even love. Usually puts me back in touch with my best readers the quickest.

Posted by: Dan at December 16, 2005 2:12 AM

This is wonderfully funny to me because I think a LOT of you are assholes: Jeff, Moxie, Dan, even Cole to some extent.

Who wins when conservative asswipes feud with one another? The American reading public. Thanks for keeping me amused.

Posted by: Roger M. Simon at December 16, 2005 4:26 AM

Ooh, could I be a member of the Axis of Asshole? Do I get a coffee cup with a big ( * ) on it?

Posted by: og at December 16, 2005 5:59 AM

"But because a descriptor is more appropriate for two women than men does not make the comment sexist."

Well, actually yes it does. Men are not shrews, period. Now "asshole" is gender neutral.

Posted by: Jane Finch at December 16, 2005 6:28 AM

I'm not getting these arguments that particular words were used because they were gender appropriate. That Cole character also wrote that we "have a hard-on towards Roger and Charles." Hey, remember when Charles sic'd his hounds on me because I made an obscure little wordplay about pus and semen? He said "classy" sarcastically about me. That was on the day of the Pajama launch (hmmm), as if he meant to indicate what a lofty tone the Pajama people were going to take, in contrast to slimy, lowly me. Well, Charles, what do you think of your guys now?

And, damn, "have a hard-on towards Roger and Charles"? There are so many reasons why I don't "have a hard-on towards Roger and Charles." So, so, so many.

The truth is I find Pajamas Media surpassingly boring. Maybe those guys are being offensive in a desperate play for attention. Pathetic. Typical of pathetic, desperate guys to veer into sexism. But they saved themselves at the last second with that hard-on business. Classy!

Posted by: Ann Althouse at December 16, 2005 6:53 AM

Why has the RiehlWorld link above disappeared and also Dennis the Peasant's last several posts on PJM? Something going on?

Posted by: Jim at December 16, 2005 7:40 AM

How would you even know it's surpassingly boring? I wouldn't even waste the bandwiff on the innerneck. It's more fun coming here to watch the $7M men act like 3 year olds. Oh, wait, that wasn't your money was it?


It reminds me of long trips when I was a kid. "Mom she touched me." "Well, he was on my side." "Was Not." "Was Too" "OWWWWWIEEEEE...He Hit Me!" "Did Not!" "Did Too!" See where I'm goin' here?

Act like men. Except you Jeff G, I hear you're swell!

Posted by: tony at December 16, 2005 7:50 AM

I'm still trying to reconcile the metaphor in which an expression for sexual arousal is equated with irrational hatred for something. It still doesn't make any sense to me. It must be a cultural thing; y'know, where f*ck has so many different meanings... so the Axis of Asshole shrews want to f*ck PJM, but not in the fun, pleasurable way? Is that what he meant?

It must be me. I should make more time for adult interaction, I suppose.

Posted by: Joan at December 16, 2005 7:56 AM

I Ming! You no take name in vain!

Posted by: Ming The Magnificient at December 16, 2005 8:13 AM

Why don't they just change the name to WTFM?

Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 16, 2005 9:54 AM

It must be a cultural thing; y'know, where f*ck has so many different meanings...

Well, if any of the women want to f*ck me, I'll try to overlook their bigotry. Typepad blew up as regards a comment above on missing posts. Hopefully yhey'll recover the missing data from all of their blogs.

Posted by: Dan at December 16, 2005 11:22 AM

Annika has something you just might want to see....

http://annika.mu.nu/nitalogo.gif

http://annika.mu.nu/archives/144589.html

Posted by: reagan80 at December 16, 2005 12:06 PM

Ooooh! Sign me up! I didn't know you existed till that Berkeley House Whore pointed to you. I'm a proud reader of hers, crap, I've even voted for her numerous times for the Best Law Blog and Best Podcast and she's the best, no matter what those PJ Media types might say, some even say she is obsessed, I say she is still scratching her head over that one.
There are those who may consider me an asshole, please allow me the kindness of putting Axis in front of that.

Posted by: Paul of York at December 16, 2005 12:50 PM

Thanks for the kind word about BNN, Dan.

I think I have figured out what PJM is up to. I psychically discern their business plan here.

Posted by: Robert at December 16, 2005 2:55 PM

Sorry, lost the link somehow:

http://theargumentclinic.blogspot.com/2005/12/pajamas-media-business-plan.html

Posted by: Robert at December 16, 2005 2:57 PM

Goddamn, I'm running the death pool and this junior-high crap is shocking. Bah, and Dean Barnett said we were immature.

Posted by: Timothy at December 16, 2005 3:11 PM

Love these pillow fights -- you all must feel a little tired at the end of the day having handled this load. When others commemorate the Iraqi vote, you can congratulate yourselves that you were busy, too!

Work it!

Posted by: Jordan at December 16, 2005 3:42 PM

Jordan: "When others commemorate the Iraqi vote, you can congratulate yourselves that you were busy, too!"

So you think whenever something significant is happening in the world, we ought to hold off expressing all our other opinions? I see no point in that. If I were going to concentrate on the Iraqi vote here in this little discussion, I'd be tempted to say how disgusting it was that Pajamas Media saw the vote so opportunistically, that they tried to boost their brand name on this occasion. Did they care about Iraq or themselves? It's not clear. I never tried to coopt the Iraq election for my own self-promotion. I just stayed in the same place I've always been, taking note of what I've happened to observe. They, on the other hand, are hot to make things work for them. Why don't you lash out at Pajamas Media, if you are really so concerned that people give proper due to the election in Iraq?

Posted by: Ann Althouse at December 16, 2005 5:09 PM

I'm going to make it so Ann has the last word on that, and close comments. Wishing everyone a merry weekend for you and yours.

I'll be back Sunday night, or Monday. Unless someone (like John Cole) does something stupid before then.

Posted by: Moxie at December 17, 2005 12:33 AM