August 31, 2005
IMPORTANT: HuffPo's blog coverage of Katrina's devastation
A must read for both conservatives and liberals!
As they say, READ THE WHOLE THING. And as the liberals say, vote early and often. This is VERY important, your help is needed.
Plus according to author Chelsea Peretti's bio black people love her!
I decided to do a round-up on the HuffPo contributors' coverage of the disaster. Click at your own risk.
- Bob Cesca decides Bush should have been in crisis-mode an hour and a half BEFORE the levee broke (as Andrew Breitbart points out in the comments). Liberals, as usual ignore any and all facts that negate their "bush sucks!" theories.
- One Larisa Alexandrovna (of "living a block from the WTC and then moving to Miami" fame) suggests:
So while children are drowning and others are floating around, dead in the water, the wannabe Yale cowboy struts around the set of his faux town hall meetings, has a bit of cake with John McCain, and takes in some fresh air in Colorado.
Since when do liberals care about dead children?
My favorite joke: "Where will you find the greatest concentration of liberal's children? In a Planned Parenthood dumpster!"
I guess they ONLY care when Bush can be blamed.
But be sure to click on Ms. Alexandrovna's bio. She links a lovely suburban mall Glamour Shot of herself. That must have set her back a good 50 bucks! And maybe additional fees for the costume rental!
MORE soon. I have to go throw up.
BACK. You have no idea what consumed liberal bile looks like once vomitted on the bathroom floor.
Oh wait, here's some:
Russell Shaw (who sports some REALLY sexy glasses in his byline photo) says if Carter had beat Reagan, New Orleans wouldn't have flooded! This is better than fiction, folks. Oh wait, it IS fiction. Poly-sci-fi, I think. Or is it PoliSci-fi? No matter, HuffPo just created a new genre.
And as a bonus he mentions "a sister with a yard full of downed trees caused by winds from Hurricane Katrina." Greg Gutfeld declared martial law on the HuffPo.
And I believe mentioning a friend or relative is considered toxic narcissism and therefore anyone within range can aim his/her paintball gun and shoot at Shaw. Downside: he'll probably like it.
It's not pretty, but it's pretty predictable: the HuffPo's ugly step-sister Spiegel Online...Clinton Advisor blames BUSH. I'm shocked! And OUTRAGED!
Okay, but back to business...Chelsea Peretti's comments seem not to be working so let's focus on the important things...
"Which did you like better The 40 Year Old Virgin or Wedding Crashers (40 or WC)?"
You can just answer here in my comments, I guess. The folks in New Orleans are dying to read your answers.
Posted by: tony at August 31, 2005 1:48 PM
Don't worry - much more will be found on P.R. Huffingstuff's site once contributors are able to contextualize how the hurricane, it's aftermath, and inevitable difficulties in rebuilding are totally and irretrievably the fault of Bush. Or Cheney. Or Neo Cons. Or Tom Delay. Rush? Hannity? Republican poll workers in Lake Winapisakee? Any and all. Just wait.
And God forbid Halliburton or a subsidiary be involved in any reconstruction work in New Orleans...
Posted by: MEC2 at August 31, 2005 4:01 PM
Actually, the levees may have failed because they have been severly undermined by the coypu. These are large aquatic South American rodents (Myocastor coypus) having webbed feet and a long tail. Also called nutria, they were imported and raised for their fur and have escaped into the wilds and proliferated. They burrow into the banks of the levees and the authorities in Louisianna hunt them at night and shoot them on site along the levees. The party affiliation of the coypu, however, is not known.
Posted by: Jimmie at August 31, 2005 4:27 PM
Regarding Larisa, you'll have to take my word for it that the vast majority of Soviet emigres are Reagan lovin' neocons or libertarian-conservatives. Larisa is simply not represenative (although she is comical). I guess you don't have to take my word for it, you can email Eugene and Sasha Volokh and they'll tell you all about it - they've got stats. But one thing you can count on for sure: any Soviet refugee/emigre in America that is a leftist will, without question, be a "poet" and or have an MFA.
Posted by: Nuther Emigre at August 31, 2005 4:32 PM
These people have nothing better to do with their time? How do they sleep at night? Oh, wait. Valium. Forgot.
For real actual useful information, check out Wizbang's new hurricane blog: http://www.hurricaid.com Updates on emergency relief, home reconstruction and preservation, how-to's and other non-vomitous information.
Posted by: NotDeskmerc at August 31, 2005 4:38 PM
It looks like I'm gonna have an extended summer vacation due to Katrina flooding half of UNO's campus. Since Bush is supposedly responsible for this disaster, I guess I should thank him for the extra blogging time he has granted me. All praise King George, Master of the Elemental Furies!!!
On another note, haven't y'all heard the squawking from the Euro-trash lately? The German chancellor blames Bush's environmental policies for the disaster down here. Wasn't he one of the dipshits that called us "stingy" in our response to the previous tsunami crisis in Asia? Where's the big European push for logistical support and aid over here? Hypocritical anti-American douchebags.
Oh, and how about that war for oil! We're over an hour away north of Baton Rouge and the gas lines at the few remaining open gas pumps in town are only half a mile long! Where would we be if we weren't raping Iraq's resources today? Would we be living like Mad Max?!
Cundalini WANTS HIS HAND BACK!!
Posted by: reagan80 at August 31, 2005 4:56 PM
You don't understand the point of the "Black People Love Us" site?
Posted by: MDP at August 31, 2005 5:03 PM
MDP -- you don't understand the concept of humor?
Posted by: Moxie at August 31, 2005 5:07 PM
Since you cite Chelsea Peretti's post (and the "Black People Love Us" site) under the headline, "IMPORTANT: HuffPo's blog coverage of Katrina's devastation," it sounds like you're mocking her, not praising her sense of humor.
Posted by: MDP at August 31, 2005 5:32 PM
>> Oh, and how about that war for oil! We're over an hour away north of Baton Rouge and the gas lines at the few remaining open gas pumps in town are only half a mile long! Where would we be if we weren't raping Iraq's resources today? Would we be living like Mad Max?!
Common mistake. You're assuming that the war was for YOU to get cheap, plentiful oil. Nope. Think big oil companies.
Posted by: wingnut at August 31, 2005 5:38 PM
MDP, well I certainly wasn't praising YOUR sense of humor.
Posted by: Moxie at August 31, 2005 5:38 PM
Sorry moxie, are you trying to say "check out Chelsea Peretti's 'Black People Love Us' site because it's funny," or "Chelsea Peretti is an idiot for creating the 'Black People Love Us' site"?
Posted by: MDP at August 31, 2005 5:42 PM
>>Since when do liberals care about dead children?
Pretty low swipe.
Posted by: wingnut at August 31, 2005 5:44 PM
I think that site is an absolute hoot! I'm going to start keeping some pickled pigs feet and some foh-ty's in the fridge for when my black friends come over. They'll appreciate me more, I think.
Posted by: tony at August 31, 2005 5:46 PM
MDP, I know the innerneck can be pretty confusing, but the important link was to Chelsea's "informal poll" post on the HuffPo.
Take a deep breath, click on where it says to "read the whole thing" and the world will make sense.
Posted by: Moxie at August 31, 2005 5:47 PM
Keep in mind that these are the same folks who thought that John Edwards' claim that if John Kerry & he were elected, people like Christopher Reeve would "get up out of" their wheelchairs and walk.
Give 'em time....by Friday someone will post that Clinton could've bridged the gap in the levvy with his Johnson and balanced the budget at the same time (see, his hands would be free) while eradicating terrorism by biting his lip ("you might want to put some ice on that").
My guess is that Governor Huffington herself will pen that one.
Posted by: RW at August 31, 2005 5:51 PM
>>Since when do liberals care about dead children?
Pretty low swipe. And the implied thing is not even true.
And why don't conservative blogges care about the Iraqis at all? Upto a 1000 have died in a stampede yesterday.
Posted by: wingnut at August 31, 2005 5:52 PM
RW -- Sadly all Clinton did was bridge the gap in his LEVI's with his Johnson.
Posted by: Moxie at August 31, 2005 5:56 PM
moxie, I saw the movie poll before commenting. Since the rest of your post slams the HuffPo folks, I guessed your bit about Piretti meant something like, "please join me in laughing at this pinhead who is blogging about The 40 Year Old Virgin and Wedding Crashers instead of the hurricane." In that context, the "black people love her!" line looked like further mockery.
Did I misunderstand you?
Posted by: MDP at August 31, 2005 6:02 PM
Okay, okay MDP -- perhaps it's best I explain the irony over a private email.
one last hint: turn on FoxNews and look at the thousands of people stranded on the freeway overpass, sans cars.
Posted by: Moxie at August 31, 2005 6:22 PM
Both good. Liked Wedding Crashers better.
Posted by: Dave K at August 31, 2005 6:58 PM
Damn Moxie, how in the hell did you get all that stuff. I just read part of it and a good hour of comments. I feel like I should scrub my brain with a bbq brush and drain-o. I know is worthless to argue with them. I think it was here that I first learned that liberalism is a mental disease.
P.S. I still think you are the hottest.
Steve in Ky
Posted by: Steve W. at August 31, 2005 8:45 PM
"Think big oil companies."
OK! Now what?
Posted by: benrand at September 1, 2005 4:05 AM
I'm referring to the HuffPoers as "political looters" (except of course Mr Gutfeld). Let's see if we can make that one stick.
Don't bother trying to explain anything to MDP; looks like the initials stand for "mentally disturbed person".
Posted by: Brainster at September 1, 2005 8:47 AM
Wow Moxie, you're yet another example of how we're smarter, funnier AND hotter than our Democratic counter-parts. I'm glad I found your blog. The sheer stupidity and dementia of the left forced me to vote Republican for the first time in my life in 04. And blaming Bush for Katrina has solidified my position: never again will a Democrat receive my vote. NEVER. And I'm not only writing a check to the Red Cross TODAY, but one to the RNC as well. In fact, I'm going to pledge that anytime the dumb lefties blame Bush for something from now on, I'm going to write a check to the RNC.
Posted by: sheera at September 1, 2005 9:22 AM
Blame Bush? Why on earth? The following passage could be a figment of someone's imagination:
Then just this morning, the President claimed that no one could have anticipated the levee breaches we've seen in New Orleans after Katrina hit. That's not leadership, that's an excuse. In fact, people have predicted this kind of disaster for many years, including President Bush's own FEMA in 2001, when they ranked hurricane flood damage to New Orleans among the three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing America. Instead, funding was significantly cut back, leaving key engineering projects on hold.
Posted by: tomcat at September 1, 2005 10:58 AM
You just don't understand. The most important thing in the world is to DESTROY BUSH. Bush is the stupid, knuckle-dragging moron who--slavishly following the orders of his mossad handlers--has stolen two elections, is systematically stealing the world's oil for the account of Haliburton, planned 9/11, and is destroying our civil liberties in order to establish a Christer theocracy and close all the abortion clinics. (Gotta admit, he may be a moron, but he's a diabolical genius of one, he is!) He must be stopped by any means available, and if that means we've got to ghoulishly exploit a natural disaster to score a few cheap political points, well, so be it. Eggs, omlettes, that sort of thing. Irrational, seething, myopic Bush hatred is a noble calling.
Posted by: Mike at September 1, 2005 11:18 AM
Let me apologize for my comment about MDP; he's a thread hijacker but I should not have called him a "mentally disturbed person".
Posted by: Brainster at September 1, 2005 12:16 PM
From what I can see the disaster in New Orleans was caused by having no disaster recovery plan to address the failure of a levy. This is the equivalent of Los Angelos being surprised by an earthquake. The fact that a hurricane caused the failure and not a terrorist strike or anything else is mere chance.
Building a taller levy still would not prevent the potential for a failure. To reiterate: City leadership has NO disaster recovery plan...None...and that is not the fault of the President...he isn't mayor.
Doesn't it just suck when reality intrudes? The city mayor? I'm sure you can guess the party affiliation...
There is definately something morbid about assigning blame before all of the bodies have even been fished out of the water.
Posted by: Mahatma at September 1, 2005 1:39 PM
Yes HuffPo is pretty ridiculous. I'm curious if they even have an editor over there. You have a choice: go to TownHall and read people like Thomas Sowell and Dennis Prager, or go to HuffPo and read Rebecca Pidgeon and Mr. HBO Fight Night Lampley. If you watch CNN they are starting to get a little nuts too. McCafferty is starting to talk racism. Yes, if a disaster strikes an area that is majority African American, that may mean that a majority of African Americans will be affected. To them it means the U.S. is racist.
Posted by: Jason at September 1, 2005 3:06 PM
One interesting feature of social research since the 1950's is that the less direct working knowledge people have of an area, the more confident they are of their opinions in that area. People are shy, therefore, to be dogmatic about how to fix your electric oven of the injectors on your car because they have tried to fix their own applicances and know first-hand that they can fail; on the other hand, they will be quite confident of their opinions about what to do in Iraq or the economy, because they have no direct experience managing the intricacies of these endeavors. This inverse relationship between direct knowledge and personal confidence holds for all education and income and social levels.
With Katrina, no one has experience dealing with a tragedy the size of the New Orleans flood in a society like ours -- it is, as Herman Kahn used to say, terra incognito: unknown territory. And as a result, the next six months will reveal innumerable "experts," "consultants," "advisors" and the like, all with total confidence in their insights: if Bush had just funded this or that, if the mayor had just done this, if FEMA had done that, if the National Guard were here or there, ... in short, if people would just listen they would explain the key insight.
Unfortunately, this has the effect of trivializing the pain and anguish of the victims of the event: they become grist for experts demonstrating that their insights -- past and present -- are superior to all others. Plus, this high level of individual confidence means reaching consensus in a time of need is all the more difficult -- lack of direct experience leads to confidence which leads to less desire to compromise.
The Huffington site is rich with insights: how to intepret it all, what it means, how to allocate blame. Who is this commentary aimed at helping: the victims? other commentators? who is the audience?
Maybe later it will make me mad but now it makes me despondent.
Posted by: C Bennett at September 1, 2005 3:43 PM
Still I am wondering if those voters in Louisiana and Mississippi who helped polluter-allied Reagan win in 1980 would have found themselves fated differently under a second Carter term.
Urge to execute a Godfather III assassin move rising...
Posted by: The Ugly American at September 1, 2005 3:55 PM
And God forbid Halliburton or a subsidiary be involved in any reconstruction work in New Orleans...
Had the very same thought this morning.
What I wouldn't give to hear all those liberal minds snapping in unison like so many dried up twigs.
Posted by: The Ugly American at September 1, 2005 4:02 PM
Oh...and let's not forget Saint Cindy's contribution to Hurricane relief...
Well, George and I are leaving Crawford today. George is finished playing golf and telling his fables in San Diego , so he will be heading to Louisiana to see the devastation that his environmental policies and his killing policies have caused. Recovery would be easier and much quicker if almost ½ of the three states involved National Guard were not in Iraq. All of the National Guard's equipment is in Iraq also. Plus, with the 2 billion dollars a week that the private contractors are siphoning from our treasury, how are we going to pay for helping our own citizens in Louisiana , Mississippi, and Alabama? And, should I dare say "global warming?" and be branded as a "conspiracy theorist" on top of everything else the reich-wingers say about me.
Bonus: Peace Mom calls Neal Conan a dick live on NPR...
CONAN: I'm just curious, because I've not heard your answer to this.
SHEEHAN: Um, Excuse me?
CONAN: I've not heard your answer... if you wouldn't mind.
SHEEHAN: (to someone off mic) This guy's a dick... I have two minutes.
CONAN: You have two minutes.
How dare we question her patriotism!
Posted by: The Ugly American at September 1, 2005 6:16 PM
Why are people so slow to help the affected, and so quick to assign blame to others?
Every one: SHUT UP, and donate to charity, NOW.
Posted by: Damian G. at September 1, 2005 6:28 PM
>>on the other hand, they will be quite confident of their opinions about what to do in Iraq or the economy, because they have no direct experience managing the intricacies of these endeavors. This inverse relationship between direct knowledge and personal confidence holds for all education and income and social levels.
Hmmm...Iraq? Well, so now we know from Mike why the muddle-headed invasion happened. A bit late I think, but truth is beauty...
Posted by: wingnut at September 1, 2005 6:39 PM
Could someone explain why donations are needed in the richest country on the planet, where the president keeps handing out tax cuts worth billions? I'm writing this from India, so I'm not aware of the reason. This is a serious question please.
Posted by: pdk at September 1, 2005 7:03 PM
Well, in the simplest terms; If you tax people less they have more of their own money....necessarily the government would have collected (and therefor spent) less. Given that, it seems entirely appropriate to ask for charitable donations benifiting those affected. Those same tax cuts very probably contributed to the tsunami relief effort earlier this year. Geez, I hope that I've helped you. BTW the donations are tax deductable too. I love America.
Posted by: EdSpecial at September 1, 2005 10:08 PM
pdk, that's actually a great question.
I touch upon it briefly in my latest post. Not sure how many foreign readers I have, maybe it should be its own post.
The idea is this: Like most conservatives, I'm a big fan of the helping hand and prefer to manage my own money (as opposed to the government taking my money and spending it for me).
For instance, I'd much rather give 200 bucks to the Salvation Army (a fantastic organization) for hurricane relief or to my elderly aunt so she can pay her electric bill, than contribute to the six figure salary of some social service bureaucrat.
Lower taxes give us the ability to help out friends, family and charities as we see fit. We give to the things that matter to us. And as Ed mentioned above, many charitable donations are tax deductable. It's one of the great things about our country and about our President who lowered taxes.
To be clear: only a portion of tax dollars would actually land in the hands of those who are in need right now because of the hurricane.
I hope that helps!
Posted by: Moxie at September 1, 2005 10:42 PM
Thanks EdSpecial, that was simple and sensible. Now I have a suggestion. Why doesn't the US govt do this:
Eliminate taxes completely - except for just enough to pay for salaries of govt employees, stationary, and such stuff. Now, how to pay for other stuff? Suppose they come up with something they want to spend money on, for instance, the Iraq war. Now the beauty of the thing makes itself manifest - Go To The People and ask for Donations! Whoever agrees with the govt's plan to invade a country, say Iraq, donates their mite. Viola, if there is enough money, then go to war! People would have voted with their pockets implying an important kind of public support.
Don't know if that makes sense. In some way it seems to me to be taking your explanation to its logical end.
And yes, the US and the rest of the world donated liberally for the tsunami relief. India did not accept any aid, but many other countries like our neighbour Sri Lanka did and they appreciated it I believe.
And yes, donations are tax-free in India too! All happy democracies are happy in the same way I suppose.
Posted by: pdk at September 1, 2005 10:52 PM
Thanks Moxie for your answer. We too have the problem of salaries of govt employees eating up a large portion of our govt's collections. The size of the bureaucracy ( and bureaucrats' salaries) should be reduced here and as you imply in your country. Say, that is achieved. Then would you say that taxes should only cover that (reduced) amount?
Posted by: pdk at September 1, 2005 11:03 PM
I like the idea of no tax (replaced with a sales tax), or a flat tax (to cover roads, police, hospitals and fire depts).
Conservatives have talked about this a lot, but I highly doubt it will become a reality in my lifetime.
Interestingly, the IRS (our gov tax agency) is a HUGE drain on tax dollars. So, we are paying taxes so that people can pay taxes!
I'm sure one of my readers will know more, or have details. But the tax code here is ripe for reform.
Posted by: Moxie at September 1, 2005 11:58 PM
Yes, hope someone will explain, for example how the following will be handled:
2. National Security
3. Defence forces
4. Public Health
And is there a way of being 100% sure that money will not be wasted whichever way if chosen to implement the above? Of course, unless it can be done for free.
The no/flat tax idea is appealing, true. But issues like the above need to be clarified.
Posted by: pdk at September 2, 2005 12:59 AM
There is NEVER a way to be sure money won't be wasted in government!
And I believe in my quick not-very-thoughtful list of items that WOULD be covered by a sales tax or flat tax I covered all but education.
Schools are an interesting situation because they are not run like public companies.
With our current tax structure, I'm a HUGE fan of school vouchers. This is certainly a topic for its own post. At a more appropriate time. Maybe you can remind me, pdk!
I think right now, focus should be on those people who have no home, food or water. It will be VERY interesting to see who helps and how...
Posted by: Moxie at September 2, 2005 1:23 AM
>>I think right now, focus should be on those people who have no home, food or water. It will be VERY interesting to see who helps and how...
Oh, was that what this post was all about? Guess the title misled me.
Posted by: pdk at September 2, 2005 1:39 AM
That was parody. I was mocking you.
I guess you're too nuanced and sophisticated to get it.
Posted by: Mike at September 2, 2005 4:19 AM
>>That was parody. I was mocking you.
>>I guess you're too nuanced and sophisticated to get it.
Right Mike. So I just pointed out who else deserved this kind of mocking - the people who thought they kne(o)w what is the right thing for Iraq. Too bad you didn't get it - but I'm not surprised - I suppose you are the earthy, hail-fellow-well-met, cowboy kind of person :-)
Posted by: wingnut at September 2, 2005 10:05 AM
PDK >>Go To The People and ask for Donations! Whoever agrees with the govt's plan to invade a country, say Iraq, donates their mite. Viola, if there is enough money, then go to war! People would have voted with their pockets implying an important kind of public support.
If we did that, chances are we would end up with something just as fractious as India's political landscape.
Posted by: EdSpecial at September 5, 2005 4:37 PM